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Don Lemon Asks Whether Slavery is to Blame for Spankings in Black Community

As controversy surrounding accusations of child abυse against NFL running back Don Lemon shockedAdrian Peterson continues, some observers, like Charles Barkley, are defending Peterson, while others say Peterson went too far in spanking his four year old son.

CNN’s Don Lemon added his voice to the debate on Wednesday, observing that slavery may be partly to blame for spanking among blacks.

“For me as an African-American, the question is where did you learn that from? Is that learned from the slave master? Getting the switch? Being beαten?” Lemon asked, according to Mediaite.

“How is that a rationale?” host Chris Cuomo asked. “I keep hearing this. Well, maybe it was passed down from slave culture. Why would that be a rationale to continue a practice like this? Isn’t that the last thing you would want to continue?”

Cuomo then questioned whether Lemon really believed childhood beαtings kept him in line as a kid.

“You said some one beαt my αss, someone didn’t beαt my αss,” Lemon responded. “My mom spanked me. That is not a beαting. There is a difference.”

The black community is split on spanking, with Charles Barkley defending Peterson and Cris Carter saying it’s time to end the disciplinary whippings.

“I’m from the South. Whipping — we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south is going to be in jail under those circumstances. We have to be careful letting people dictate…” observed Barkley.

NFL Hall of Famer Cris Carter, however, disagreed with spankings.

“My mom did the best job she could do raising seven kids by herself, but there are thousands of things that I have learned since then that my mom was wrong,” he said. “It’s the 21st century – my mom was wrong. She did the best she could but she was wrong about some of that stuff she taught me and I promised my kids I won’t teach that mess to them.”

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  1. No! Whipping when done with sound mind body and spirit, not angry or upset with child is ok…If the parent is angry this could turn into seriour child abuse, because the parent has lost control of his/her emotions…….
    Yes! all discipline should be done with sincere thoughtfullness before the punishment…

  2. Well said Denise Robinson-Washington. People of my generation were all spanked when it was needed. That was always what parents in the black community did. I have seen white children do something wrong and they handle it by saying in a monotone voice "don't do that". What does the child do? They just continue doing what they are doing and not paying any attention to what the parent said. I saw that very thing a few weeks ago. People for get that there is a huge difference between spanking and beating a child. If you leave bruises on your child that is child abuse and you need to go to jail.

  3. this as written in haste, but i think you have the gist of it:
    “Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings, was arrested for beating his son with a switch, when asked why he did it, he said “that was the way he was chastised as a child”. Well, how many of us were told to go get a switch? A friend of mine said he thinks his father grew a tree near the window so that he could get a switch quickly. My only problem with this story is as I keep hearing the” story”, my mind keeps going back to the days of slavery when that was the way the master chastised his slaves, men, women and children. Yes, Mr. Peterson left bruises on his son but they cannot compare to the bruises left on the backs of slaves. Yes, slave parents beat their children but they were beating them to keep them quiet so that the master would not take notice of them and sell the children. Yes, this went on for some time and African American parents beat their children to make sure that they did not get in trouble with the school teachers, police, or anyone in authority. They beat their children so that would be thought of as having good manners, was respectful and were around good children; so that the white society and the elders would see them as good children. The parents chastised their children as their ancestors were chastised. And until “certain children” were beaten then it became child abuse. So, now here we are today and the great, great, great, grandchildren of some of the legislators who are now passing laws that say you cannot use a switch on your child. Now laws have been passed to prevent children from being abused, however, a few or more than a few have slipped through the cracks in certain neighborhoods. Personally, I would like to know how many people of color were involved in the drafting of the child abuse law. I just wanted to put my thoughts out there, so what are your “thoughts?”

  4. Marcia Smith thank you. I am so against beatings. They never solve anything and to often it is passed on. We see young adults slapping, teasing, pulling hair and more. It is humiliating and destroys a childs self worth. We have to do better and if a parent is leaving scars it is them that needs the help

  5. Rachel Frink…Thank-U…well said.

  6. No, I don't think spanking is linked to slavery. Spanking is a slap on the wrist or the butt. However, I do think whipping is linked to slavery. Since our ancestors were whipped for no reason other than their color, I think those same ancestors whipped their children out of love as a way to keep them in line because the white man would do so much more worse to them. It was not meant to be the abuse that they suffered or were subjected to from slave owners or any other white man. The Bible says if you spare the rod you will spoil the child. Most black parents discipline their children, most white parents do not. I don't think there is anything wrong with discipline but there is a difference between discipline & abuse. When white people abused black people there was nothing wrong with it in the white man's eyes, but when a black person disciplines their children (so the white man or the law won't have to) then the white man or the system calls it abuse.Being disciplined as a child makes better adults. Being spoiled rotten & allowed to get away with anything as a child or having your actions swept up under a rug or thought of as cute, creates monsters & problems as a adults. Time out is okay for certain things. But time out sometimes sends the wrong message. The law's time out is not a corner; it is jail or prison (for blacks anyway). I think whites are given more slack, more chances, more opportunities. However, in today's society with this gang-bangin mentality, if blacks were given more slack, more chances, more opportunities I'm not sure they would take advantage of them because their minds & positive role models have been destroyed. If the parent doesn't know anything how can they teach their children anything? If a parent doesn't know any better, how can they teach their children any better? When you know better you do better, and that should be applied to all mankind. I still believe in discipline, maybe not to the extent that I was disciplined. I think the level of discipline depends on the level of what was done or said wrong. The discipline that I received helped make me the person that I am today. I was not abused, though at times it may have felt that way. My discipline taught me respect, honesty, integrity, & self discipline. It did not destroy me or my self esteem. You cannot just discipline and not show love & affection. You must have & do both, more of the latter!

  7. No, I don't think spanking is linked to slavery. Spanking is a slap on the wrist or the butt. However, I do think whipping is linked to slavery. Since our ancestors were whipped for no reason other than their color, I think those same ancestors whipped their children out of love as a way to keep them in line because the white man would do so much more worse to them. It was not meant to be the abuse that they suffered or were subjected to from slave owners or any other white man. The Bible says if you spare the rod you will spoil the child. Most black parents discipline their children, most white parents do not. I don't think there is anything wrong with discipline but there is a difference between discipline & abuse. When white people abused black people there was nothing wrong with it in the white man's eyes, but when a black person disciplines their children (so the white man or the law won't have to) then the white man or the system calls it abuse.Being disciplined as a child makes better adults. Being spoiled rotten & allowed to get away with anything as a child or having your actions swept up under a rug or thought of as cute, creates monsters & problems as a adults. Time out is okay for certain things. But time out sometimes sends the wrong message. The law's time out is not a corner; it is jail or prison (for blacks anyway). I think whites are given more slack, more chances, more opportunities. However, in today's society with this gang-bangin mentality, if blacks were given more slack, more chances, more opportunities I'm not sure they would take advantage of them because their minds & positive role models have been destroyed. If the parent doesn't know anything how can they teach their children anything? If a parent doesn't know any better, how can they teach their children any better? When you know better you do better, and that should be applied to all mankind. I still believe in discipline, maybe not to the extent that I was disciplined. I think the level of discipline depends on the level of what was done or said wrong. The discipline that I received helped make me the person that I am today. I was not abused, though at times it may have felt that way. My discipline taught me respect, honesty, integrity, & self discipline. It did not destroy me or my self esteem. You cannot just discipline and not show love & affection. You must have & do both, more of the latter!

  8. From slavery times, and unruly young person could be harmed by White people. That rule still applies in the USA.

  9. Quorate from a book that said if you are in debt sell your daughters, into prostitution, slaves be obedient to your masters. There are also passages that advise using common seance.

  10. Denise Robinson-Washington If you read any history of our life in slavery in America you will know beatings are a part of the culture, for any reason. Our descendants would discipline their children to keep ole massa form beating them, they would whip them in the presence of massa to let him/her know they had control. It is a learned part of our cultures, survival skills. When you beat anyone you may gain fear, but little respect, If you read of African culture before the Europeans arrived it was the village, respect, family, shamed expelled from the tribe, and as in every society there was discipline. Salves captured during war were encouraged to become a part of a tribe to have family, they wouldn't release them but they didn't want an enemy within. I agree with you abuse, a child go to jail. Every parent on this page knows the line between parent and abuser is razor thin. Unfortunately razor strap thin. When the child is 4 and you are a 200+ man…………

  11. Well somebody better come lock up people in my community and my parents because spanking was the primary way of discipline, in the village (community). Nevertheless, you as African Americans garner the spot light for your respective culture, and this is bad news for the media. Its bad enough the media won't report anything good, and you give them nothing to report but anger and hostility. Many people who blanket others have a reason to feel that we all are just like that abusive, something to be fearful and should respond with deadly force.

  12. No, whoopings are not a result of slavery, because many people across ethnic and religious backgrounds do it. However, the style of whooping your child gets is related to a person’s culture. I strongly believe that the way many Blacks physically discipline that their children does come from slavery. Why? Because this is the way many slaves were disciplined by slave owners in order to get them to do or not do things. As a result they punished their children and other children they were overseeing this same way. And the next generation just keeps it going, because it is the only way they think they should punish their kids, because they feel it worked on them. I the think the switch is just an extension of the whip and was used in the of slavery, because the slaves didn’t have whips. I think it is time that Blacks started using other ways to disciplining their children, because it is abuse.

  13. Denise Robinson-Washington, noting Africa is a continent that could fit 4 United States in it with cultures and languages more diverse than anything we lump into one idea…as taught by Europeans…that said, As a Sociology student overseas some 30+ years ago, I studied a documentary of Bushmen in the Central African Rainforest, their family structure and way of life. Though the filming was in mid-century (circa 1950s) they still lived a nomadic life of hunting, gathering and some planting. They were all so HAPPY!!!, and the children were Never spanked. Each knew their role and fulfilled it because they worked as a cooperative UNIT! They innately practiced monogamy and when there was philandering, the Woman called the shots and kept the man out until he repented…reportedly rare. When we are in touch with the value of our lives as gifts, we will not use violence to keep our children in check, we will use Firm guidance…Remember when Cliff and Clair stripped all Theo's personal "stuff" to show him he had to Earn it back and Respect what it took to provide it Or get "banned" to the basement? We've got to use our heads and stop thinking we can be the Slave Massa and Beat the behavior into our children…and ESPECIALLY beating a Four year old…'c'mon Brothers and Sisters…these are OUR CHILDREN and we are NOT RAISING them to be THEIR SLAVES!!!

  14. Lynn Magnuson … agree…and the slavery wasn't just Massa whipping slaves…parents whipped children out of fear that if they didn't get the message on how to "stay in their place" they'd be tortured or killed by Massa….now we beat them to keep them from getting beat by police…so demeaning and demoralizing and TOTALLY disempowering.
    All the killings…done by cowards with guns…but done just the same…Where do you learn a sense of empowerment, courage and ability..? Beating forces children t internalize a sense of helplessness and rage for many. There are so many ways to discipline children that hitting them…take away favorite things, remove bedroom doors off hinges, no privacy, get khakis and t-shirts everyday uniform, bedtime at 7:pm…no phones, bland, but healthy, diet…write essays that describe what they did wrong…on and on…and make them EARN their privileges back.

  15. What "devil"? You are in control of YOU and THAT is what needs to be taught, BY EXAMPLE to children…that is the Essence of GOD-given Self-empowerment…and the Opposite of Eurocentric Christianity….plagiarized mythology with BS images that save NO ONE…proof is Everywhere. You, ME, WE all are the Gift given by through and OF the MOST HIGH!…IT is the most arrogant craziness to define who and what god is and how he/she thinks…It's impossible because we are of the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent energy life force…it is by fact beyond ANYONES' ability to comprehend,
    just be in the living experience and be grateful and honor that life in each other…

  16. You are God now? WOW Roosevelt…that isn't god's word that the UMPTEENTH revision of mind manipulation…wake up.

  17. That spare the rod has been used as propaganda…you fell for it…just like you think "god" wrote the bible…wow…it's not even in the bible.

  18. Violence teaches fear, disempowers and builds frustration and resentment…Take the time and SHOW children what you expect, respect them and enable them through Requiring certain behaviors…beating is for the fearful, frustrated non-thinking parent.

  19. Who thinks God wrote the bible? What are you talking about? That's paraphrased from the actual scripture written about the rod of correction. Get a grip and stop trying to stir up strife and contention.

  20. Look at this forum. Everyone starts attacking one another over opinions and for what? If you choose to not discipline your children then don't. Don't harp on people that decide to chastise their children. If someone is abusing their children then the law decides their fate. We live in a society of public dictatorship. Judging by some of these comments some of you needed to get ya asses beat, whipped and whatever else with ya disrespectful bullshit!

  21. I got switch good by my nana and nothing came out of that I don't smoke drink or do drugs I'm not perfect but she taught me and my sister right from wrong those whooping was out of love especially when I was stealing candy out of the store owner bought me to my grandma, acting up in school she didn't whoop us just for the fun of it their were reasons

  22. Pls explain the difference between spanking and whipping. I believe in the past (slavery time) whipping was meant to hurt severely. Now yI believe the words are used to mean the same type of discipline. Pls clarify.

  23. You have Your understanding and I do trust the King James version. Until, YESHUA or YAHWEH tells me otherwise-how dare You pretend to judge what I believe. In the beginning was the WORD…[Genesis 1:1 & John 1:1]. You may go back to Your satanic sleep and let the "Body of CHRIST" discuss HIS Ordinances. No, I am not GOD! However, I know GOD and HE is as real today as HE always has been. Your manipulation is to blasphem HIS WORD; well here's another one-"You do reap what You sow" [Galatians 6:7]. GOD's WORD is HIS Love; tough and otherwise to HIS CHURCH [1Corinthians 12:12,27; Romans 12:5 and Ephesians 5:30]…wanna join? Just ask HIM-HE's Knocking [Revelations 3:20]. Lastly, [2Timothy 3:16 & Proverbs 3:5,6] Peace and Love in JESUS' Name! 🙂

  24. PPL our children need love! Once when we were a "forced segregated" commUNITY-ALL adults cared and helped in the raising of our offspring. GOD Commands us to "Save our children from hell in disciplining them. [Proverbs 23:12-14 & 13:24]." However, when Brother Malcolm warned us that "Laying down with dogs leaves us with fleas" is where we are. I have never had to "spank" all of my children. However, when it was warranted I did delve out the love. We then came to an understanding; my children and me, of what would and would not be tolerated in my family-for life! You never put Your hands on a woman except to help and assist her. Also, never disrespect Yourself and bring discredit on Your family. When in the 1973 era of the "You've come a long ways Baby" exploded, the Black family was inflicted with a deadly wound. Women wanted to be equal-this is not of GOD. [Genesis 2:18 & 3:12-17]. We all have our innate contributions to the KINGDOM. Dads were divorced, emasculated, effeminated out of the families and thus the lives of the child-his seed. [1Corinthians 6:1-10] was disobeyed but gave the Black woman the perception that she was winning-at the demise of the family. Children became less of a priority to the family and the commUNITY at large. Now, the presence of GOD and HIS Masculinity is being purged from American life. GOD issues HIS Orders through the Male. [Corinthians 11:3]. When the female seeks to be mom and dad-her dillusions of grandor plays to the plight with the devil. The kids loose, she's ready to give up and GOD's WORD is "modernized" and diluted for HIM to fit in her chosen lifestyle. In "self-will" she is not to obey GOD and HIS Command Order. Choices and consequences in "free will. What doesn't kill You makes US stronger. " Pray!

  25. GP Gratefully If the only reference over and over, is the "book"you have no thought of your own, following your interpretation of what your god's law, in whichever "book" you read read resent news, they tend to have a disregard for life, and justify every act by their "book". They may or may not think they are GOD, but they think they are doing their god's will.

  26. Well Said.

  27. I will agree that spankings, whipping, and beatings are forms of disciplines past down from slavery. Today, as parents we have to take out of our time and invest that time in teaching and mentoring our children. When our child does something wrong just striking a child alone does nothing if that child has not been taught, practiced, and explained the correct way of doing whatever it could have been. There are ways that we can share, teach, and love our children. That way is to educate ourselves. You are in here!

  28. Don Lemon is an IDIOT SAVANT. Period. Spanking is not a by product of slavery. It is both culturally and religiously based, and NOT reserved only to afro-asiatic cultures. Political correctness has both labeled and demonized the practice of spanking. We have more children killing children as a byproduct of the removal of this time- tested way of correction thru tough love. It does work as long as love and not anger is behind this corrective act. It Is a biblical instruction, given by our creator. Why argue that wisdom? People are so damn dumb to purposely not recognize that. But gey, maybe people secretly like reading stories about kids killing others, or kids "Wilding out", or drinking, smoking, raping, drugging, stealing, bomb – building in the basements, – all those good, sensational headlines..

  29. David Wms Sr. and Marcia Smith… you think you're wiser than the holy scriptures? Try reading them first, then reflect on how our children are in a social degradation due to our ignorance of HIS holy instructions on how to rear our children… then get back to me. No one is saying "beat ya kids constantly". Our job is to go there only when necessary. If we are effective and loving parents, it won't be necessary. But children will always test the limits. They have to know there is a line beyond that "time out" crap. My parents we kind, loving, fun, all that. But when I pushed the envelope, I paid the price… AND I LOVE THEM FOR IT. Instead of turning out to be a non productive, mal-adjusted individual with no brains, social skills or future, I ended up being a happy and successful structural engineer. My lovely parents never spared the encouragement nor the love, both tender and tough. Thank you mama and daddy! And to he'll with all that spanking is not good crap. It is both good and necessary when needed, but only with love and concern for your child's future and we'll being. God said it, I believe it, that settles it. When you can design and create life, I'll take your advice. but since neither of you can… I'll take the word of God for 1000 Alex…

  30. It was Jim Crow more than slavery, black parents disciplined their children, because back then black children acting up in public could lead to them getting lynched or thrown in a jail.. glad things have changed… :-

  31. What AP did to his 4 y/o is unforgivable. The pictures tell the story, the sad part is he thinks it's not child abuse.

  32. African Americans have not psychologically accepted the fact that our history was taken from us. We don’t know our true identities! We suffer from social amnesia! Our names and our African tribal history was intentionally destroyed by our oppressors. We must pray to our creator to help us become whole again. Thank you for your attention.

  33. “…For me as an African-American, the question is where did you learn that from? Is that learned from the slave master? Getting the switch? Being beαten?” Lemon asked…"

    Beatings are an example of expressing deep rooted, inner FEARS, based on the perceived illusion of a system so powerful, leaving Blacks feeling so dis-empowered, they beat the children so they conform to the system they have perceived within their own minds…as this is not God~Goddess behavior and it needs to stop!!!
    Benita Ballentine

  34. Sorry u went through that. I am quite sure ur mom did the best she knew how. And I too do not believe in whippings.

  35. Jasmen Denton -Trust and believe the whippings was learned behavior.

  36. Sasha Yeahthatone Bideau We do not cling to it sweets but rest assured hundreads of years is nothing to sneeze at and OF Course it would have an affect on a ppl. Right dwn to the foods we were forced to eat and unfort still eat Today.

  37. Really and how do u know. I Bet u do not know how the Bible has been altered. I Bet u whole heartedly believe in every single word. LOL.

  38. J Yvette Gatewood please stop sweetie. No one is saying that slavery doesn't influence African Americans. However to blame slavery on something that isn't inherintly African American is misguided. Stop using slavery as a scapegoat for bad behavior. What AP did was wrong. Period. Had he'd been a white person what excuse would you gave given? None. African slaves were in the Caribbean too but we don't blame everything on what the white man did to us. So yes ig is clinging to negativity. But as you were darling… I said my piece and refuse to hash or rehash my opinion. Good say.

  39. We need to distinguish between discipline and abuse. Discipline focuses on correcting a wrong while abuse entails excessive measures applied to another person by virtue of the allege abuser’s exerting his/her frustration on an alleged victim. Spanking is a universal measure for correcting a child. That is what kept me in check and inspired me to make meaningful strides in my life. Otherwise, without those spankings, the police would have been giving me more severe beatings for being a social miscreant. Let’s stop trying to fool ourselves and follow the truth before us. You can get with lies and fall into self destruction or get with the truth and partake in self construction. Word is bound!

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